DB never fails to deliver

**1inStripes** · November 16th, 2010, 05:17 PM

The thing about Young is though he wasn't highly recruited. Miss St. was about to jump on him and UT offered and he took it because thats what he had always hoped for. Carmichael's biggest issue to me maybe the competition he has played has kept him from being looked at more. He's also a little bit of a tweener, and when you marry the two together it hurts your stock. I think he's a legit D1 guy.

**Biggin** · November 16th, 2010, 05:21 PM

not just Young, even DY is not at teh level as the best TN players.

two huge 4* OL, a 4* DE Antonie, etc....

no doubt Carmichael is really good, but I just dont see the best player in the state not getting big offers.

**1inStripes** · November 16th, 2010, 05:27 PM

I wont disagree there. But, those 4* OL and DL generally arent the most explosive players in the state. They will dominate at their position but tend to get overlooked when POY stuff comes up. I will be a little surprised if Carmichael isnt Mr. Football for his division.

**DJP** · November 16th, 2010, 05:29 PM

okay, then just wait till he gets the award lol
6' 200 4.33 avrages 16.7 yards a carry? something like 87 for 1300? 500 passing yards.
BOOM.
He doesnt get the attention he deserves imo. Ill eat crow if someone proves me wrong. I've just been star struck by Willie all year, he dominates like its not even funny.

**Biggin** · November 16th, 2010, 05:33 PM

he may get Mr. Football, I dont doubt that one bit.
but that does not mean he is the best player in the state.

he may be most electric and dynamic, he is no doubt very, very good.
but theres a couple other kids that can argue that. Washington, an Alabama committ as an ATH, is very dynamic and a great playmaker. He is a QB now but will be a DB at Bama.
Titus Young is very electric, Dunaway the OLB is very very good, Artaves Gibson is a solid 3* guy with big playmaking ability.

**DJP** · November 16th, 2010, 05:47 PM

lol thats what mr football means best player

**Biggin** · November 16th, 2010, 05:50 PM

in his division. not the best player in the state.

here are some Washington highlights;

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Qmmw1jYjzg"]YouTube - Jabriel Highlights[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUS1UrAI9Po"]YouTube - Jabriel Washington 2010 Mr. Football Highlights[/ame]

Washington could be the Mr. Football in his division as well, but I dont think he is even the best player in the state.

**VOL61** · November 16th, 2010, 05:55 PM

Washington plays against horrible competition. I think they are D1. Which is the smallest Division in TN. That doesn't mean he isn't the best. But just because the guy is ranked by Tom Lemming as the best player doesn't mean he is either.

Carmicheal doesn't play against great competition either. But if you just watch the kid play with your own eyes. It would be hard to imagine many kids any better at least at what they do. But he is also surounded by good players. So it goes both ways.

Rivials isn't he be all end all. They are right most of the time. But not always.

Washington, Richardson, Clear, Dunaway, Kerbyson, even Crowder and Downs and there are alot more ranked higher that doesn't mean they are.

**Biggin** · November 16th, 2010, 06:06 PM

you are right, rivals or scout is not the end all be all.

but they are right most of the time and have a good idea about who has the potential to be big time players.

its not a slight towards WC, ive said over and over again he is a great, electric player.

but being Mr. Football does not mean you are the best player in the state.

that was my point about Washington, he is a top candidate for Mr. Football in his division, but he isnt the best TN player IMO.

but if a kid is that good, undoubtedly he gets big time offers. Not ness. stars on rivals or whatever, but offers from big time D1 schools, combined with talent, you can usually see the best 4-5 players in the state.

Ok VOL, do you think Carmichael is the best player in the entire state of Tennessee?

(for the record, and this is not the definite answer or the end all be all, it does not mean he is not an elite player, but Scout has Carmichael listed as a QB, with no stars and no rankings or offers. I cannot find him on Rivals.)

**Ironlung** · November 16th, 2010, 06:54 PM

Carmichael isnt the best player in TN. That would be Tiny Richardson. Carmichael might be the most fun to watch but he isn't the best player. I think Austin Rogers and or Zack Rogers also won the Mr. Football award at one point, neither of those two were any where near the top player in the state at any point in time.